MACC Recording 9, 29/07/2016-Najib Abdul Razak speaks to Amhari Efendi Nazaruddin

July 29, 2016, 12.14am - Najib Abdul Razak speaks to Amhari Efendi Nazaruddin [Click here for audio recording]
Najib: You’ve managed to speak to him (Khaldoon)?
Amhari: Yes, I’ve got an update for you. He’s suggesting - conclusion, he’s suggesting when he is in Abu Dhabi because he is very, very concerned about where he is, and you know, all these calls.
He’s getting a bit, you know, worried about all these calls going around. He is not comfortable.
(He said) ‘So at the very least, please tell your principal (leader) that although I don’t agree, I think it’s best to protect our principals that we don’t speak, but if he insists, then at least do it when I’m back in Abu Dhabi.’
And then he talked about how he helped, even while on holiday and all, for solution number two, so he is a bit stressed up - a bit wound up, not stressed. We're still laughing about it, but uh, he's a bit wound up, lah.
Najib: The thing is… uhh, this is difficult, now he doesn't want to meet, did he say...
Amhari: He said, he said meeting up is very dangerous. And they’re still talking about us establishing communication back channels, and he said: 'The whole idea was to bring the beef, and we stick to that. And even with option two on the table, but that option on two (was done) while I was on holiday I helped out (inaudible)...'.
And he said that one is ongoing, and is going to happen - I think in the next two days - so that’s going to happen.
But to speak to him, he said - he is just very worried, (saying) it's very dangerous, afraid of leaks and all.
(He said) 'At the very least when I’m back in Abu Dhabi, we can have a conversation (about) this with your principal', that's what he said, lah.
He was quite (inaudible)...
Najib: The second thing he will see to it that it happens... that second part?
Amhari: That second part, he said is that the two players will meet up and this guy will come back and report to him what is the deal on the table and see whether he can work on that, lah.
Najib: The second part is simple. It's just for Sheikh Mansour to sign a letter to say that amount was a loan. That’s it.
Amhari: Yeah, but I’m sure his lawyers will then advise him the whatever, the repercussions are and so on. But he says whatever he can help based on the two principals' conversations, he will help. That’s fine.
(Khaldoon said) 'But please tell your principal, for the principal to talk to me is very risky, and we should be...' - then he lectured me - 'we should protect our principals you know, it's very risky.'
Najib: (Inaudible) but we want things to happen... if things don't happen now, it will be difficult.
Amhari: But Arabs are like that sometimes.
Najib: He’s dragging the whole thing, we're in a difficult spot.
Amhari: Hmm, but it’s okay...
Najib: It's okay for them. We are more exposed than them.
Amhari: True, true.
Najib: They're not a democracy, they can sit...
Amhari: Without changing anything, right?
Najib: Not a thing.
Amhari: But uh, well, I don’t think whatever he said is entirely is, you know, being fair.
I think we have a case but we need to manage his situation. He said he was on holiday and still helped. His worries, he's really worried about all these leaks.
He said: 'If this goes out, then it’s very difficult for me to work, even when you come, it came out in the paper, I'm sure it’s not from you because you don’t... but somebody leaked it.
'Who is sharing all these, and I’m not comfortable, but I discounted it. In fact, I wasn’t comfortable with it but I discounted it. I still carried on but all these things we need to protect.'
He is really worried about this, so we have to really protect it.
Najib: Hmm, hmm, hmm.
Amhari: So, sorry...
Najib: No worries, it’s okay. You tried your best, (inaudible)... it is really difficult.
Amhari: But on Saturday, I can arrange a conversation with you. Saturday evening or night.
Najib: At least, settle that thing first, the second part...
Amhari: The second part of their meeting.
Najib: Okay.
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